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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 9:30:30 AM
I'm 5'8" and wouldn't want to sit in the back of my '08 for along trip...
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 6:00:24 AM
Yea... Back seat was cramped
I am 6'-1" 220#
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:50:14 AM
Love the G8, would trade-in my '08 GP GXP for a V8 version in a heartbeat if I had the funds to do so.
"Back seat was cramped."
Never heard somebody claim that the 7th Gen Grand Prix had adequate rear legroom. Interesting. I've owned an '04 and now an '08 and have found the opposite to be true (with regards to the comparison made to the G8).
Best Pontiac made in the last 10 years, IMO (regardless if it started as a Commodore). It was good to see that GM was bringing successful designs from abroad to the US - looking for more with the Chevy SS!
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 10:44:13 AM
Where did you read that noble? I've heard nothing of the sort other than that new Chevy SS would be effectively the "old G8".
In looking at things, I would be more than a little surprised if GM also exported the car to Europe to be sold as an Opel.
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:43:12 PM
I read recently they will be bringing it back but it will manufactured in Germany with their subsidiary Opel as the Lacrosse and Regal are already built there.
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BURNER2011
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 8:03:04 AM
The G8 and Chevy SS are the same as the Holden Commador, the Chevy PPV is a Holden Statesman and in China Buick Park Ave. The PPV is 4 inches longer. They are both built on the same Zeta platrorm and the Chevy Camaro is also a Zeta Platform with a short wheel base. These cars are not new The VE Commador has been around for awile and is the best selling car in Austraila.
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14smoke
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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2012 1:13:01 PM
No, actually they do not need to sell "millions" of the cars to keep them as a viable vehicle in the line-up.
While, to the public, we can get the old G8 as a new Chevrolet SS, it's also being marketed to, and also sold to police departments, not just here in the US, but, in many countries around the world. That particular model is being called a Caprice PPV, but, one quick look and it's the G8/SS.
Also, this car is still the Australian Holden Commodore. GM would like to sell "millions" of them, but, will be happy with about 30 to 50 thousand sold in a year here in the US.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2012 9:19:34 PM
""I know there is still a market for a performance sedan because thats what I am looking for. ""
They need to sell MILLIONS of these cars.....Not Thousands to continue that line.......DUH
Not going to be a big seller.
Well they dont need to sell a lot of them. But it will get a lot of the redneck good old boys into the show room and maybe buy another model Chevy. LOL
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Message Posted: May 18, 2012 9:16:09 PM
Well it is now official. GM is bring back the G8 as the Chevrolet SS as a 2014 model. The are waiting till then because it will have the new Zeta2 platform which will be lighter and more fuel efficent than the current platform. The SS will also be the new Chevrolet in NASCAR starting with the 2013 Daytona 500.
They are also talking about bring the UTE [truck version] and station wagon. If they do I will be very tempted to trade my beloved G8 for the UTE.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 6:22:49 AM
""I know there is still a market for a performance sedan because thats what I am looking for. ""
They need to sell MILLIONS of these cars.....Not Thousands to continue that line.......DUH
Not going to be a big seller.
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 5:14:19 AM
I can't wait to see the new car too. I know there is still a market for a performance sedan because thats what I am looking for.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 9:16:33 AM
An Aussie car magazine can a picture of the new Commadore. Great looking car, kind of like the 2013 SHO Taurus.
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BURNER2011
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:36:38 AM
The rumors are that the new NASCAR Chevrolet will be a limited production car. There is still a market out there for a high performance sedan, which they say this car will be. The G8 had the performance of a 535i BMW at half the price. But then the head chassus designer of the G8 [commador] also designed the last 5 series BMW chassis.
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 6:12:03 PM
Can't wait to see this new V8 Chevy.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 6:17:36 AM
""The rumor mill has it that there is going to be a new rear drive chevrolet. Chevrolet has announced that it will campaign a new car in NASCAR in 2013. It will be a new car with new name. The top candidate is a Holden Commodore based car. They also said that the new car will be as close to the car on the track as possible. Rear drive V8 power. ""
OK??? Lets look at the possibility here. Yes a V8 rear wheel drive car would be nice. In this economy with gas prices rising faster then most people can breathe. I do not see a big or expanding market for this vehicle other than Nascar. Remember your history. When gas prices go sky high. Big V8 vehicles ( other than trucks ) suffer in sales.
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BURNER2011
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 8:15:40 PM
The rumor mill has it that there is going to be a new rear drive chevrolet. Chevrolet has announced that it will campaign a new car in NASCAR in 2013. It will be a new car with new name. The top candidate is a Holden Commodore based car. They also said that the new car will be as close to the car on the track as possible. Rear drive V8 power.
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2012 8:41:57 AM
I do believe this purehonda.com website you linked is misinforming. Every car data website I used(kbb,msn) lists the information I posted below as well as Dodge. Also the "new engine technology" of the HEMI wasn't available til just the past couple years and never in the Magnum. If you want actual data though, go check out the Magnum forums. Those guys will tell you whats actual!
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 6:28:12 AM
""I am going with the new Ford Fusion 47city/44hwy ""
Why is the city mileage higher than the Highway????
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2012 10:16:01 AM
The trend seems to be to small cars, I like the room of at least a mid size I am going with the new Ford Fusion 47city/44hwy
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2012 7:28:58 AM
Here is the link i Used for the 5.7 L Hemi Magnum
Dodge Magnum MPG
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 11:16:21 AM
"the 2009 Hemi Magnum mileage is 21 city - 28 highway."
Wow! Where are you getting this information?? There was no 2009 first off as the Magnum ran from 05-08 years and the 2008 RT 5.7L had an EPA of 15/23. Lets take a look at all Magnum trims...
•2.7L V6 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 18 cty/26 hwy mpg
•3.5L V6 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 17 cty/24 hwy mpg
•5.7L V8 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 15 cty/23 hwy mpg
•6.1L V8 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 13 cty/18 hwy mpg
I average 17/25 in my G8 consistantly with a best of 26.2. And If I were betting money.... I would say the Magnum RT 5.7 might be closer to 13/21. Dodge has always been on the lowside of fuel economy...especially anything with the hemi engine. However, Dodge finally thought about economy and started using the 4/8 cylinder kill which results in the newer Challenger's with the 5.7L getting an EPA of 16/25.
[Edited by: dleete at 3/16/2012 2:16:59 PM EST]
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 6:20:25 AM
The 2009 G8 gas mileage is 15 city - 24 Highway
the 2009 Hemi Magnum mileage is 21 city - 28 highway.
My money is on the Magnum
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2012 6:51:53 AM
I grew up with Pontiacs myself. I think your "amazing" is quite different from my "amazing". A G8 is a full size rear wheel drive performance car. None of those you list compare in that category cept for an RT or SRT Magnum. Compare the gas mileage then.
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2012 6:32:56 AM
I am on my 4th Pontiac grand Prix. I have owned an older Bonneville. A VERY Old Grandville. So I am not new to Pontiacs
The G8 just seems cheesy & cramped to me. Besides.... Grand Prix sounds allot better than G8.
Amazing car....?
Let s have a few options here.
Amazing Milage....Chevrolet Impala. My wife & someone I work with both have a 2002 model. Big car. 3.4 liter V6....Gets 30 to 33 mpg...that is amazing
Amazing stile.... the Dodge magnum is a hot looking car. Even though it is a station wagon. Car looks like it s going 100 mph while it is standing still.......Nice
Amazing economy car.... Fiat 500. Cut little car for under $16,000 & gets 38 mpg.....Amazing
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2012 12:23:27 PM
""My opinion is a so...so car. Nothing amazing."
What part of My Opinion did you not get???"
I didn't say anything about your opinion....I simply asked what is an amazing car to you? I'm just really curious.
[Edited by: dleete at 3/12/2012 3:24:07 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2012 3:36:29 AM
"My opinion is a so...so car. Nothing amazing."
What part of My Opinion did you not get???
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2012 2:05:04 PM
PopcornPirate posted:
"So there is a transmission problem that needs fixing...."
No, it's an update with the TCM. You bring your car in for service and the ECM/TCM's get reflashed with updates all the time. There is nothing wrong with the transmission.
"YES. Crappy gas mileage while still using $.20 to $.25 more / gal premium gas. not cost effective."
I still don't see how 26mpg is crappy in a V8 4200lb perfomance sedan. Anyone else think it's crappy? V6 sedans rarely do any better. Have you checked any of the rice cooker(import) performance Sedans? They typically use super as well.
"The G8 is just the Grand Prix...Re-Labeled"
So based on that theory does that means the G6 is a Grand Prix too? Since you said the G6 and G8 look the same.
"My opinion is a so...so car. Nothing amazing."
So what car is amazing to you? Give us the details so we can compare.
[Edited by: dleete at 1/16/2012 5:06:29 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2011 7:52:24 AM
I have had mine for 2.5yrs, it has its faults. Controls arms have been replaced and probably will be replaced again and it has crappy paint that chips if you look at it too hard but I love the car. If Chevrolet ever brings it back I will be the first in line.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2011 7:06:54 AM
I get the feeling that someone has never had a long term experince with a G8 GT.
How many other cars out there get the same performance as a BMW 535i for half the price. The only other performance sedan out there that is in the same price range and has V8 performance is the Dodge Charger R/T and SRT8, and they don't perform as well as the G8 GT. [Experience speaking I have beaten both at the drag strip.]
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2011 6:28:09 AM
I will repeat. I sat in the front seat & adjusted the seat to fit me. ( I am 6'-1"tall ) went into the back seat & it was cramped. Maybe a small kid could fit.
YES. Crappy gas mileage while still using $.20 to $.25 more / gal premium gas. not cost effective.
""there has been no transmission issues cept some have had a 3-4 shift flare which can be fixed by a simple reflash at the dealer.""
So there is a transmission problem that needs fixing....
YES ...Looks very similar to a G6.
My opinion is a so...so car. Nothing amazing.
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2011 2:35:35 PM
Oops....forgot this
"It was prone to mechanical(transmission problems)"? Huh, there has been no transmission issues cept some have had a 3-4 shift flare which can be fixed by a simple reflash at the dealer. I run my car thru the ringer and it hasn't flinched at all.
"Back seat was cramped"? Huh, Everytime I've had passengers in the back they say they love the feel and comfort of the bucket seat and there is plenty of leg room!
Any other G8 owners want to attest to my rebuttal? Not really necessary, LOL
[Edited by: dleete at 12/2/2011 5:36:32 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2011 2:08:59 PM
Popcornpirate posted "I have owned many Pontiacs. I really did not like the G8 as an all around sedan that it was suppose to be. It got less than normal gas mileage. You had to use Premium gas to get that crappy Avg 21 mpg. It was prone to mechanical ( transmission problems ) Back seat was cramped. Car Looked too much like the G6. Very Un-impressed. "Wow, You obviously haven't been around a G8 at all!
"Not an all around Sedan?" About the only thing that's not all around on this sedan is it blows the doors off all the other all around sedans.
"Less than normal gas mileage?" Myself and many other G8 owners have acheived 26plus miles to the gallon highway! That's above normal! In town I usually see 18 plus! It's all in how you keep control of the DOD to remain active.
"Premium gas"? Very small drawback to what I'm given in return. I've actually used regular with no detonation, but to be safe and because I have a performance tune, I stick with 93.
"Car looked too much like a G6"? How you figure this one? Nothing is shared and even close to being the same! And it's not a rebadged Grand Poprix! This car is in no way shape or form like any other GM product except the ones that use the Zeta II chassis(Camaro).
A G8 is a performance sedan that looks amazing, drives amazing, feels amazing, and has more bang per buck than it's closest competitors! I've had my 09 GT since Feb of 09 and it put a smile on my face every time I've driven the 29K miles it's been.. and knowing that it's never been to the dealer for any problem is a bonus! Another plus is there are a multitude of choices for modifying the car from a simple air intake to brakes to suspension to a complete engine! I've added a few goodies myself and it's just enhanced the car even more! You can keep your Grand Prix, and I'm not downing one, but it has nothing on a G8!
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BURNER2011
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2011 10:00:17 AM
There is a market out there for the G8 [commador] They build what is called in Austraila a UTE. Chevrolet could bring it here and bring a name from the past for it. ElCamino.
I have had my G8 GT for 3 1/2 years and wouldn't trade it for anything. It is quicker than the 70 Hemi Cuda I had and handles better than the 65 Corvette I had. Automotive Technology has come a long way.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2011 10:19:15 PM
The G8 (Commodore) is eventually returning! Albeit as a Chevy.
The following story is a little confusing to read. The PPV (police vehicle) is a long wheelbase Holden Caprice. It is in use in some states now. The G8 is a short wheelbase Commodore. It will return later on as a Chevy.
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GM confirms more Holden cop car deliveries.
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Chev delivers Holdens to police in Georgia and Iowa – and US citizens in Maryland
11 July 2011 By MARTON PETTENDY
CHEVROLET has revealed first details of Holden’s US police car export program just days after it emerged that a number of unmarked Commodore-based detective vehicles were sold to private US citizens, but remains tight-lipped about exact sales numbers.
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2011 7:12:43 PM
G8 is very nice
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Message Posted: May 31, 2011 9:14:25 PM
I love the G8s!!
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 31, 2011 6:28:50 AM
I have owned many Pontiacs. I really did not like the G8 as an all around sedan that it was suppose to be. It got less than normal gas mileage. You had to use Premium gas to get that crappy Avg 21 mpg. It was prone to mechanical ( transmission problems ) Back seat was cramped. Car Looked too much like the G6. Very Un-impressed.
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Message Posted: May 28, 2011 11:50:55 AM
I know that we'll see well used ex-cop cars on the road, I was taking it as they were thinking the general public would get the chance to buy them brand new, and that's not how I understand them bringing the car over to the US.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 26, 2011 8:55:12 AM
How many Non-cop or ex-cop Crown Victoria's do you see out on the road???
Give it time.
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Message Posted: May 25, 2011 8:49:41 AM
I wouldn't go holding your breath on the G8 becoming a Chevy of some sort to be sold to the American public. Last I heard the car we know as the G8 will be made available to police departments as a cop car soon, but, I don't even have a timetable on that. Last I heard/read, that was the only plans for a state-side version of this vehicle.
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Message Posted: May 20, 2011 8:42:46 PM
There is an endless rumor that Chevrolet will bring back a 4dr RWD V8 Zeta platform when the Commodore gets its upgrade in 2012-13. So maybe a 2014 return.
And the G8 is nothing like a Grand Prix.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2011 3:11:47 PM
Isn't it coming back as a police only Caprice?
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2011 6:06:50 AM
15 mpg city - 24 mpg highway is kind of crappy. I don't recall Pontiac ever having a police car? Chevy Yes...Pontiac...NO
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2011 6:29:38 AM
It's been back and forth for a while now, but Motor Trend recently confirmed its return as a Chevrolet. At least for now it's confirmed. The longer wheel base version is currently being used for police vehicles or will soon start rather, so it only makes sense to make the line available again. I hope to god they give it a new name instead of the boring old Chebby names used in the past!! Something to spark an interest, just like the G8 name did and still does. I absolutely love my G8!!
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2010 7:04:10 PM
It won't happen, unfortunately. Bob Lutz recently said that while he was pushing for it continue coming to the US, that top GM brass nixed it. If you like the G8, look for one still hanging around on a car lot, or, look for a used one. We've gotten all we're going get, sad to say.
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2010 9:19:28 PM
I hope they continue making the G8 as a Chevy model for 2010 or 2011. Do any of you guys have any info on that?
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2009 1:55:29 PM
Instead of getting our feathers ruffled here, can we just agree that the G8 is the replacement for the Grand Prix? I personally wish that they'd kept the GP name myself, but, all of that's moot at this point with Pontiac being phased out.
2004VHO, yeah, I haven't seen many used G8's around here either, but, I figure there will be by the time I'm in the market for another car, which is, God willing, at least 2 years away.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2009 5:33:46 AM
You know 99 GASE2
Tooting your own horn to hear yourself talk (type)
You even said it yourself in your last post.... The car is Re-Labled from Aus to USA.
Weather it was designed in Australia, USA or India does not matter.
In the USA it is called a G8 ( the new designation , name what ever you want to call it ) of the older style GrandPrix.
Holden was probably contracted by Pontiac or was paid by Pontiac for the design....SO WHAT. You still don't get it.
Here is the progression. GrandPrix, Pontiac buys design from Holden for VE Commodore, brings design to USA, calls it the G8.
The cars are very similar to each other. As much as a major design change from year to year.
You were the one insulting me that I knew nothing about cars.
I made the comment that it was a re-labeled GP.
You were the one that got all huffy about the re-labeling.
So again. Go insult someone else.
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99 GASE2
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2009 7:20:17 PM
Posted by PopcornPirate,
"OK 99 GASE2
I don't have 18 hours a day like you to snoop the internet for dribble about 1 obscure car that was re-labeled in Australia.
Go somewhere else to insult someone else."
Do you just like to insult people & listen to yourself talk?
You are still not getting it.
The car is not re-labeled in Australia.
It is re-labeled in USA/Canada.
Holden in Australia spent a $1-billion AU doing the R&D for the Holden VE Commodore.
They designed & built it.
It is an Australia car.
PS: Why are you in this Pontiac G8 thread ?
You don't seem to have anything to contribute to it.
[Edited by: 99 GASE2 at 8/27/2009 10:22:45 PM EST]
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99 GASE2
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2009 9:01:27 PM
Posted by: PopcornPirate,
"The G8 is just the Grand Prix...Re-Labeled .
I am on my 4th Grand Prix ( 2006 )"
It is obvious that you know nothing about the Pontiac G8.
It is NOT a re-labeled Grand Prix.
It is a totally different car.
It is a re-labeled Holden VE Commodore from Australia.
[Edited by: 99 GASE2 at 8/23/2009 12:01:51 AM EST]
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